Podcast Uploaded: The Badger Cull | Judicial Reviews 2019

Uploaded to Lush Player June 2019: “The Badger Cull | Judicial Reviews 2019

From the spoken intro to this podcast:

“Back in December 2011, the Government announced that it intended to go forward with trial badger culls in two 150 km2 areas. These would take place over a 6-week period with the aim of reducing the badger population by 70% in each area. Two years later Pilot badger culls commenced in Gloucestershire and Somerset.

A cull of one of the UK’s most protected mammals, it was hoped, would control (according to government estimates) by up to 16% a year the spread of bovine tuberculosis (or bovine TB) – a disease of cattle, that in the year 2010/11, when the cull announcemnet was first made, had led to the slaughter of 25,000 diseased cattle in England with compensation to farmers costing taxpayers £91 million.

25,000 cattle slaughtered because of bovine TB sounds high, but it’s worth remembering that every year around two million cattle are slaughtered for their meat in the UK anyway, tens of thousands of cattle are culled annually because of mastitis, lameness, and infertility problems, bTB has been almost completely eradicated as a threat to the public by the pasteurisation of milk (pasteurisation kills the bacteria that causes bovine TB), and the evidence is pretty clear that it’s poor biosecurity and the movement of diseased cattle between herds – and indeed regions of the country – that is the main cause of its spread.

In the meantime, driven by government policy and, as ecologist Tom Langton explains in the following discussion, an unwillingness by academics to admit to previous oversights and the implications of new findings, badgers are dying at a huge cost to them – and to us. By the end of 2018, the government had spent over £50m of public funds killing over 67,000 badgers – 32,000 of them in 2018 alone.

More badgers are slated to die in 2019, but while the slaughter of badgers appears to be expanding the cull is facing a number of legal challenges and judicial reviews, and Tom Langton has been one of those at the forefront of taking the government to court.

I spoke with Tom in late-May this year to understand more about the basis for the challenges, about the ‘carnivore release effect’ which ludicrously has led to Michael Gove, the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, ordering in some areas the shooting of foxes as a result of the removal of badgers to protect cattle, ‘low risk area’ culling, and – most controversially perhaps – Tom’s opinion that it’s the responsibility of academics to now admit that the cull is a ‘nonsense’.

We begin though with Tom explaining about two upcoming legal challenges…”

  • Since I spoke withTom, supplementary badger culling has been authorised in Gloucestershire, Somerset and for the first time in north Dorset. Tom emailed me in mid June to say that the government is busy announcing that badger culling is working, based upon a secret report unavailable to the public. Ministers are busy saying  badger culling is working, as they did when misquoting the report of the first two years of badger culling in 2017.

These are strange times indeed.

If you would like to see this ‘nonsense’ – as Tom labels it – stopped, you can help the legal fight against badger culling by visiting thebadgercrowd.org website and following the ‘donate’ button to the Badger Trust Sussex crowd fund page.

Tom also has a new scientific paper on the Randomised Badger Culling Trial in the current journal of Dairy and Veterinary Sciences.

I uploaded a podcast recently recorded at the country’s first badger vaccination symposium which considers badger vaccination as an alternative to culling – it’s not a route everyone agrees with but the podcast is on Lush Player and can be found by typing badger into the search bar (this will bring up a slection of six podcasts on the cull)

Finally, following a Tweet I put out saying this podcast was on its way, someone messaged me to say; ‘Night follows day, but will Gove follow May‘? Will Michael Gove be pulled out of Defra in a few weeks time and sent to the back benches when Boris Johnson takes over as prime-minister?

lf so, who will be prepared to take on the slaughter of so many wild animals?

It will perhaps be difficult to find another two people like Theresa May and Michael Gove quite so willing to kill and injure so many badgers, but the feeling amongst activists does seem to be that many people in positions of power simply want badgers killed – no matter what science, conservation, or even morality says…

Tom Langton

I’m just back from a very interesting/successful two days in Suffolk with Tom Langton – the first spent around the site of the proposed Sizewell C reactor, the second interviewing Tom himself: in the morning we talked about the badger cull (Tom, an ecologist specialising in epidemiology, has some very forthright things to say about the badger cull, which he says is basically built around an error in interpreting data); in the afternoon we talked about amphibians and ponds (Tom was a founder of Froglife, and is an expert on Great Crested Newts).

In between I met up with the charismatic John Burton at the offices of the World Land Trust (interviews have been promised with John and his team and will be finalised asap!), and wandered around Tom’s land – twenty-five incredibly beautiful organic acres of rural Suffolk, where he and his partner Cath have dug out nineteen ponds, planted hundreds of trees, and allowed the return of flower-rich grassland.

It’s genuinely astonishing driving through miles of intensively managed farmland to turn down a long farm track and find this oasis. The land is still in the process of returning to the state Tom wants, but Turtle Doves breed here, butterflies abound, and those ponds are heaving with Great Crested Newts and other amphibians. Underneath corrugated sheets lurk Slow Worms and bees nest under the eaves of the house along with bats and a pair of Jackdaws.

It’s the kind of place you’d never want to leave, the result of many, many years of hard work – and from this island of biodiversity (surrounded by chemical-spraying farmers and a goddam pheasant shoot) Tom works on a pile of Judicial reviews, sends streams of letters advising campaigners and activists, and – on behalf of wildlife everywhere – fights back!

It’ll take a while to edit up the conversations, but they will be well worth hearing when I do!

New Podcast Uploaded: Alick Simmons

After a bit of time off with bursitis (too much editing for my old elbow to manage!), I’ve uploaded a lively conversation with Alick Simmons we recorded a few weeks ago.

Here’s what i said in the spoken intro:

Alick Simmons is a vet, naturalist and photographer with a particular interest in the ethics of wild animal management and welfare. After a period in private practice, he began a notable 35-year career as a Government veterinarian much of which was spent promoting animal and public health and welfare involving disease control at the national and international level.

He was Veterinary Director at the Food Standards Agency between 2003 and 2007 and was then appointed Deputy Chief Veterinary Officer of Defra (Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs).

During an eventful life in government he was heavily involved in the control of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (or BSE) and was key in decisions made around eradicating bovine tuberculosis (or BTB) which lead to the start of the government’s current badger culling strategy.

Alick retired (or semi-retired) in late 2015, but has kept extremely busy. As well as being a member of the Wild Animal Welfare Committee, whose conference we’ve covered here on Lush, he volunteers for the RSPB and NE in Somerset, is chair of the Universities Federation for Animal Welfare, and a trustee of Dorset Wildlife Trust.

My name is Charlie Moores and I met Alick in March this year at the Wild Animal Welfare Committee conference, which was looking at some of the thornier issues around – as it says on the tin – the welfare of wild animals.

We bonded over some excellent wildlife photographs he’d taken on recent trips overseas, and arranged to meet up at his home in rural Somerset.

Our conversation took in his early life, his career, BSE and the badger cull, his love of wildlife, and his current views on animal welfare and disease control. I was particularly interested in why vets – who you’d assume all have animal welfare at the forefront of their thinking can have such differing views on wildlife – and how a scientist used to working with data and statistics dealt with ethical considerations involving sentience and the ‘value’ we put on wild animals in a world where most of us are increasingly disconnected from those animals.

What follows is the distillation of a fascinating day and it begins with a question about whether Alick had actually always wanted to be a vet…

The podcast can be found at Alick Simmons | Badgers, BSE, and wild animal welfare

Interviewing Alick Simmons

Alick Simmons is a veterinarian, naturalist and photographer. After a period in private practice, he followed a 35-year career as a Government veterinarian, latterly as the UK Government’s Deputy Chief Veterinary Officer.

Alick’s lifelong passion is wildlife; he volunteers for the RSPB and NE in Somerset, is chair of the Universities Federation for Animal Welfare, a member of the Wild Animal Welfare Committee and a trustee of Dorset Wildlife Trust. A particular interest of his is the ethics of wildlife management and welfare.

I met Alick Simmons for the first time at the Wild Animal Welfare Committee (WAWC) conference in Edinburgh in March this year. We ‘bonded’ over his photographs of local moths and not-so-local birds he’d seen on a recent trip to Morocco, and despite our immeasurably different life choices discovered things in common (a love of wildlife being one).

Like all the key players at the conference I found Alick friendly, thoughtful and open to questions and debate. We agreed to meet up at a later date to discuss what WAWC is trying to do and mull over what has been a fascinating career. That meeting took place this week, at Alick’s home in rural Somerset.

I have to admit that whilst I was really looking forward to the conversation, I was a touch daunted by Alick’s experience and knowledge. I mean, this is a man who (via Belize and Australia) found himself at the heart of tackling the BSE or ‘mad cow’ crisis and was there during the early days of decisions regarding the badger cull. Alick is a scientist and vet as comfortable discussing spoligotypes [good luck if you follow that link] and talking with politicians as he is talking about Cream-coloured Coursers and Common Crane reintroductions with a birder.

I needn’t have worried (I rarely ‘need to have worried’ actually, but there’s nothing like ‘imposter syndrome‘ and self doubt to keep you on your toes). We set up what would become the basis of the interview in the morning, then had lunch. It was clear from the outset that Alick is someone who likes to be challenged and likes to think on his feet. We sat down to record later that afternoon, interrupted only when Alick’s cat wandered in and demanded his attention.

I’m not sure how much (or how little) will need to be edited as I was concentrating so hard on what we were talking about that I don’t actually remember the entire conversation – and if that sounds unlikely or even unprofessional, I’m willing to bet that many of us get so wrapped up ‘in the moment’ that time seems to pass in an instant yet back in reality hours have passed. Time flies etc etc..

I guess I’m fortunate that before publishing these podcasts I get to go back over every word at a later date, save the best bits, edit around my stumbles, and quietly delete the least comprehensible passages as if they simply never existed! Journalism eh…

Anyway, I’ll be editing asap, and uploading to Lush Player.